tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-64757058484076122792024-03-13T11:50:04.748-07:00The Second Coming of Christ - "Rapture" ?TO MANY IT IS SHOCKING TO DISCOVER THAT NEITHER THE WORD "RAPTURE" NOR THE TEACHING OF A "SECRET RAPTURE" IS TO BE FOUND IN ANY BIBLE TRANSLATION. MOREOVER, IT IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN ANY CHRISTIAN LITERATURE PRIOR TO the year 1833. WE WILL USE THE TERM "RAPTURE" IN THIS POST, BUT PLACE IT WHERE IT BELONGS: POST TRIBULATION!Roger Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00323952464269731624noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6475705848407612279.post-83891173855154881882007-06-08T14:50:00.233-07:002020-05-06T17:28:56.453-07:00Endtimes Conference Proves Post-Trib Rapture<div align="justify">
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<span style="color: black;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #666666;"> Bible verses used to prove the "Pre-Tribulation" Rapture</span>,</span></strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><b><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: #666666;"><span style="color: #666666;"> </span><u>instead</u><span style="color: #666666;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #666666;">proves this event to be false ...</span></b></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #666666;"><b></b><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #666666;"><b> … </b> at this <b>Calvary Chapel Men's Conference</b> on March the 3rd, </span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #666666;">held at Little Country Church in Redding, California, and attended</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #666666;">by 900+ men. Here the</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #b45f06;"> Pre-Tribulation Rapture</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: black;"> was taught where,</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: black;">(</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #999999;">they claim</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: black;">)</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"> Christians are removed from the earth, seven years</span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-size: large;">prior to the true Second Coming of Christ that clearly takes place</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-size: large;"><u>after</u> the tribulation (Mark 13:24-26). So, the aforementioned</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #b45f06; font-size: large;"> Pre-</span><br />
<span style="color: #b45f06; font-size: large;">tribulation rapture</span><span style="color: #444444; font-size: large;"> event would involve a manifest contradiction, </span><br />
<span style="color: black; font-size: large;"><u>Two</u> Second Comings?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 130%;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span><span style="font-size: small;">(<b><span style="color: #6fa8dc;">place cursor on above verse, and verses through-out</span></b>)</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: 130%;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #666666;"><b>Furthermore</b></span>, <span style="color: black;">there is <u><b>not</b></u> a scripture in the entire Bible that </span><span style="color: black;">states </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: black;">Christians are removed</span> <span style="color: black;"><b><u>before</u></b></span> <span style="color: black;">the tribulation. This</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #b45f06;"><b> extra event</b></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #e69138;"><span style="color: #e69138;"><span style="color: #b45f06;"><span style="color: #b45f06;"><span style="color: #b45f06;"><span style="color: #b45f06;"><span style="color: #b45f06;"><span style="color: black;"> is</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"></span>documented to have begun in the 1830s</span> <span style="color: #999999;">(</span><span style="color: #999999;">we cover this </span><span style="color: #999999;">later</span><span style="color: #999999;">)</span>. <span style="color: black;">So, in </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: black;">the <b>1800 years</b> prior to this time were all of the early </span><span style="color: black;">church fathers </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">mistaken when they wrote the church <u><b>would</b></u> face the Antichrist? </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> <b><span style="background-color: white; color: #3d85c6;"><u>See brief quotes by</u></span>: </b> </span></span></div>
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<a href="http://tertullian-chp25.blogspot.com/"><span style="background-color: #ffe599;">Tertullian</span></a> <span style="color: #999999;">(150-220)</span> <a href="http://augustine-xx-23.blogspot.com/"><span style="background-color: #ffe599;">Augustine</span></a> <span style="color: #999999;">(354-430) <span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><a href="http://bernard-33-16.blogspot.com/">Bernard<span style="background-color: white; color: #b04800;"> </span></a></span>(1090-1153) </span></h3>
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<span style="color: #999999;"><u>plus 25</u></span> <span style="color: #999999;"><u>more</u></span>. <span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #666666;">Pre-Trib teachers are basically telling us that these men were <u>not</u> smart enough to know that the church would <u>not</u> be on the earth to face the Antichrist, but instead taken <u>out</u> in a (so called) pre-trib rapture? <i><u>Not</u></i> smart enough - for <span style="font-size: x-large;">1800 years?</span></span></span></h3>
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<span style="font-size: 130%;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><span style="color: #ea9999;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"></span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 130%;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><span style="color: #ea9999;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"></span><u><br /></u></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 130%;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #ea9999;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 130%;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: #ea9999;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><u>Also consider</u></span></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black;">:</span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #444444;">We are specifically told in</span></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #e06666;"> <span style="color: black;">II Thes.2:3-4 KJV,</span> </span><br /> <span style="color: #444444;">that the</span><span style="color: #e06666;"> </span><span style="color: #666666;"><strong><u>false christ</u> comes <u>first</u>. </strong><span style="color: #444444;">(</span></span><span style="color: #666666;"><span style="color: #999999;">Place cursor on verse</span></span><span style="color: #444444;">)</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: blue;"><span style="font-size: large;">The<u> three senior pastors</u></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"> who spoke at this Endtime Conference</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">used <strong><span style="color: #444444;"><u>nine</u> </span></strong>scriptures to prove the<b><span style="color: #002760;"> <span style="color: #b45f06;">pre-trib</span></span> </b>rapture. However,</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">out of the <strong><u><span style="color: #444444;">nine</span></u> </strong>they used, <strong><u><span style="color: #444444;">seven</span></u> </strong>were taken out of context, and</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">the other <strong>two </strong>were based on assumptions<b>………..</b> Below are the </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: yellow;"> Nine </span></strong></span><span style="background-color: yellow; font-size: large;">scriptures</span><span style="font-size: large;"> they thought were the best to support their view<b>,</b> </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">and </span><span style="font-size: large;">below each a brief explanation, with scripture reference, that</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">show they were twisted to fit the false </span><span style="color: orange; font-size: large;"><b><span style="color: #b45f06;">pre-trib</span> </b></span><span style="color: black; font-size: large;">theory. We have</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">listed them </span><span style="color: black; font-size: large;">in the </span><span style="font-size: large;">exact same order they were presented that day<b>:</b></span><span style="color: #cccccc;"><br />
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<span style="color: #cccccc;"><span style="color: #009900; font-size: 130%;"><strong><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="background-color: yellow; color: black;"><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>1 of 9 </span>...</span><span style="color: #333333;">I Corinthians 15:51-52</span></strong></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: #cccccc; color: black;"><b>51</b> </span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><i>"Behold I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we <br />
shall all be changed, </i><span style="background-color: #cccccc;"><b>52</b></span><i> <span style="background-color: white;">in </span><span style="background-color: white;">a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, </span></i></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><em><span style="background-color: white;">at the <u><strong><span style="color: #3d85c6;">last trump</span></strong></u></span>;</em> <em>for the trumpet shall sound, </em><em>and the </em><em><strong><span style="background-color: white;"><u><span style="color: #e06666;">dead</span></u> </span></strong></em></span><br />
<em><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><u><span style="background-color: white; color: #e06666;">shall be raised</span></u></strong> incorruptible, and <span style="background-color: white;"><b><u><span style="color: #6aa84f;">we shall be changed</span></u>.</b>"</span></span></em></div>
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<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: large;">Read verse <span style="background-color: #cccccc;"><b>52</b></span> in the above very slowly, think about the <u>order</u></span></span></div>
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<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: large;">(sequence)<strong> </strong>God inspired Paul to list these <b><u>three</u> events:</b></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: white;"><b>1</b></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: #cc0000;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: white; color: green;">. </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: #cc0000;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="color: #999999;">At t</span><span style="color: #999999;">he </span><strong> <span style="color: #3d85c6;">last trump</span> </strong>(<span style="color: #999999;">7th</span><span style="color: #444444;">). <b> </b>Rev.11:15. 1 Cor.15:52. </span><b> </b></span><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;">2</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: green;">. </span></span></b></span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: red;"><span style="color: #999999;">The</span> </span><b><span style="color: #e06666;">d</span><span style="color: #e06666;">ead shall be raised</span></b><span style="color: #003000;"> 1 Cor.15:52. John 6:44</span></span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><b></b><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
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</span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #6aa84f;"><b>3</b>. </span></span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #999999;">And </span><span style="color: #6aa84f;"><strong>we shall be changed </strong></span></span><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="font-size: large;">(raptured). </span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: #cc0000;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: #666666; font-size: large;">1 Cor.15:52.</span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: #cc0000;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><br />
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<span style="color: red; font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"></span>The key is #<b>2</b> above:</span><span style="font-size: large;"> Do we know when the resurrection will be?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: blue;"><strong>Yes!</strong></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #666666;"> </span><strong><span style="color: #666666;">Jesus</span> </strong>Himself told us in John 6:40, and John 6:44, that the</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"> <u><strong><span style="color: #666666;">Resurrection</span></strong></u> is on the <span style="color: #666666;"><strong><u>Last day</u></strong> </span>(<span style="color: #999999;">see also</span> John 11:24). So, if </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">the<span style="color: #e06666;"> </span><span style="color: #444444;"><strong>Resurrection</strong></span> is on the <span style="color: black;">Last Day</span>, <u>as stated by <strong><span style="color: #666666;">Jesus</span></strong></u>, and in </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><b>I Cor.15:52</b>, Paul lists the <strong><span style="color: #666666;">Rapture </span></strong><strong><u><span style="color: #444444;">after</span></u></strong> the <span style="color: #666666;"><b>Resurrection</b></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #666666;">:</span> </span><br />
<span style="color: #e06666; font-size: large;"><b><i><span style="color: #b00000;"></span><span style="color: #999999;">"... and the dead shall be <span style="color: #999999;"><u>raised</u></span>... and we shall be <u>changed</u>."</span></i></b></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Paul has told us the "<strong><span style="color: #444444;">sequence</span></strong>" of these 3 events and Jesus </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">told us "<strong><u><span style="color: #666666;">when</span></u></strong>"... <span style="color: #999999;">O</span><span style="color: #999999;">n the </span> <strong><span style="color: #666666;"><span style="color: blue;"><u>Last Day</u>! </span></span></strong> (<span style="color: #666666;">John 6:40</span>) </span><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;">Note #1-----></span></strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">...Is this such a difficult concept to comprehend? Clearly, these </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">two verses teach a <span style="color: #666666;"><strong>Post-Tribulation Rapture</strong> at the <strong> Second</strong></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="color: #666666;">Coming of Christ</span></strong>. <strong><u>How can the</u></strong> <span style="color: blue;">Last Trumpet sound</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: blue;"> </span>then</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">the </span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: red;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">Resurrection</span> of the dead </span><span style="color: #999999;">(in Christ),</span> and the <strong><span style="color: #6aa84f;">Rapture,</span></strong></span><br />
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<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #666666;">all take place </span><strong> <span style="color: blue;">seven years</span><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #b00000;"> <span style="color: black;">before </span></span></span><span style="color: blue;">the Last Day?</span></strong></span></span></span></div>
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<strong><span style="color: #009900; font-size: 130%;"><span style="background-color: yellow; color: #cc0000;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: yellow; color: black;"><br /><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>2 of 9 </span> ...</span></span></span> <span style="color: #333333;">I Thessalonians 4:16 </span></span></strong><br />
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<em><span style="font-size: large;">"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, </span></em></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><em>with the</em> <em>voice of the arch</em><em>angel,<span style="background-color: white;"> </span> and with the <strong><span style="color: #444444;">trump</span> </strong>of God: </em></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><em>and the dead in Christ </em><em>shall rise first."</em></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">Again the word<span style="background-color: white;"> </span><strong><span style="color: #444444;">"trump"</span><span style="background-color: white;"> </span> </strong>is used,<span style="background-color: white;"> </span>but the Thessalonians were</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">unclear as to <strong><span style="color: #666666;">"when"</span> </strong>this would happen. Paul apparently heard</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">that they were troubled about this, <span style="background-color: white;"> </span>so he then wrote a </span><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><u>second</u></span></strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><u>letter</u></span><span style="color: #444444;"> </span></strong>to clear this up, and this reads as follows<strong>:</strong></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3;"><br /></span></strong></span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: white;">II Thessalonians 2:1-4</span>, </strong></span><em><span style="font-size: large;">"Now we beseech you, brethren, by</span></em></div>
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<strong>the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, </strong>and our </span></em><em><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>gathering<br />
together (</strong>i.e. <strong>rapture) </strong>unto him,<span style="background-color: white;"> <span style="background-color: white;"> </span> </span> <span style="background-color: #cccccc;"> </span><span style="background-color: #cccccc;">2 </span> That ye be not soon<br />
shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, or by word,<br />
nor by letter from us, as that the <strong>day of Christ </strong>is at hand.<br />
<span style="background-color: #cccccc;"> 3 </span> Let no man <strong>deceive you </strong>by any means:<span style="background-color: white; color: #f3f3f3;"> </span>for <strong>that</strong> </span></em><em><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>day<br />
shall not come </strong>except there come a <strong><span style="color: red;">*</span></strong><span style="color: #3366ff;">falling</span> <span style="color: #3366ff;">away </span> first, and<br />
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition" ( false christ).</span></em><span style="color: #999999;"><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong><span style="color: red;"><span style="font-size: large;">*</span></span></strong><em><span style="font-size: large;">Falling</span></em></span><span style="font-size: large;"><em> <span style="color: #3366ff;">away</span></em><span style="color: #666666;">, <span style="background-color: white;"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: #666666; font-size: large;">is #646<span style="background-color: white;"> </span>"<em>APOSTASIA</em>"<span style="background-color: white;"> </span>in the Strong's<span style="background-color: white;"> </span>(Greek)</span><span style="color: #999999;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
<span style="color: #666666;"> Concordance, and translates </span><span style="color: #e06666;">"</span><span style="color: #e06666;">Defection from the truth</span>, </span><span style="color: #e06666;"><span style="font-size: large;">apostasy."</span> </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #999999;"></span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;">In this </span><span style="background-color: white;"> </span><strong><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: white;"><u><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3;">second</span></u><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3;"> letter</span></span></span> </strong>Paul, <strong><u>this time</u> </strong>makes it <strong><u>very clear</u> </strong>that</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">the <strong><u>false</u> c</strong><strong>hrist </strong>comes <strong><u>first</u></strong> and, (v-3) not to let anyone deceive</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">you. Then, referring back to the <strong><u>first</u> letter</strong> he wrote,<em>"Then </em>(after </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">the false Christ) <em>the Lord descends, with a shout, with </em><em>the voice </em></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><em>of the arch angel, with the <strong><u>trump</u> </strong>of God: and the </em><em>dead in Christ</em> </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">shall rise <strong> <u>first</u></strong>." Obviously the Resurrection has to take place </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">before there can be a Rapture! <b>So when is this resurrection?</b> </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Jesus Himself tells us in John 6:40, It's on the <b>Last Day!</b></span><span style="font-size: large;"> </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">This <strong><u>is</u> </strong> the second coming of Christ<strong>,<span style="background-color: white;"> </span><u>after</u> </strong>the </span><span style="font-size: large;">tribulation. </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">So, with this <strong><u>second</u> letter </strong>Paul is making it <strong>clear </strong></span><span style="font-size: large;">that this </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><u>trump </u> </strong></span><span style="font-size: large;">is not <strong><u>before</u></strong> the tribulation it's <b><u>after</u>.</b></span><span style="font-size: large;"><b> </b>There are</span><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span><span style="font-size: large;">7<br />trumpets that sound </span><span style="font-size: large;">in the</span><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span><span style="font-size: large;">book of Revelation... Obviously</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">the 7th Trump is the<b> Last!</b></span><br />
<b></b><b></b><b></b><b></b><b></b><b></b><b></b><br />
<span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: 130%;"><strong><br />
<span style="background-color: yellow;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: black;"><br /><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>3 of 9<span style="background-color: yellow;"> </span><span style="background-color: white;">...</span></span></span></span> <span style="color: #333333;">Revelation 3:10</span></strong></span><br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<em><span style="font-size: large;">"Because thou has kept the word of my patience,<span style="background-color: white;"> </span> I also will <br />
<strong>keep thee from </strong>the hour of temptation, that shall come upon<br />
all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth."</span> <br />
<br />
<br />
</em><span style="font-size: large;">Notice that Jesus says,<strong><em> "...I will <u>keep thee from</u>..."</em> </strong>He does</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>not </strong>say,<strong><em> "...<u>take thee out</u> of..."</em> </strong>So, for a better understanding</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">of <em> </em>Rev.3:10 KJV,<span style="color: #cc0000;"> </span>Let's prove the Bible, with the Bible, and <strong>not</strong> </span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">assume anything<em>._</em> Let's let <strong>Jesus clarify this verse,</strong> which He </span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">does in John 17:15 KJV,<span style="color: #cc0000;"><em> </em></span>"<em>I pray <strong><u>not</u> </strong>that<strong> </strong>thou<strong> </strong>take them<strong> <u>out</u> of </strong></em></span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<em><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>the world,</strong> but that thou </span><strong><span style="font-size: large;">should <u>keep them from</u> the evil."</span> </strong><br />
<strong></strong><strong></strong></em><span style="color: #333333;"><br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>Jesus</strong> clearly says__<em>_<strong>not</strong> <strong>to</strong> <strong>take</strong> <strong>them</strong> <strong>out_</strong>_</em>in John 17:15<em>.</em> <br />
So, how can the_<em>_<strong>I will keep thee from__</strong></em>in Rev.3:10__mean<br />
</span><em><span style="font-size: large;">"<strong>I will take thee out of ?</strong>"</span> </em></span></div>
<span style="color: #333333;"></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #333333;">(</span><span style="color: #999999;">The Greek interpretation of</span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><em> </em></span></span><span style="color: #333333;"><em><span style="background-color: white;">"</span><strong>Keep </strong>thee </em><strong><em>from" </em><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;">Note #3---></span></strong></span></span><br />
<span style="color: red;"></span><br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-size: large;">God's <strong><u>wrath</u></strong> does <strong><u>not</u></strong> fall on us,"only those who have the <strong>mark</strong></span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>of the beast"</strong> (Rev 16:2). And those who "do not have the seal</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">of God" (Rev 9:4). Like the "144 thousand" of Rev. 7:3, <strong>we</strong> <strong>have</strong></span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">the <strong>seal of God</strong><span style="color: black;"><strong>._</strong> See Eph.1:13 "...</span>after you believed, <strong>you</strong> <strong>were</strong></span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>sealed..."</strong> And Eph.4:30, "...<strong>you</strong> are <strong>sealed</strong> unto the day of</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">redemption." There are several verses that clearly state, after we</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">accept Christ, <strong>we are sealed,</strong> (protected from God's wrath).</span><span style="color: #cc0000;"><br />
<strong><span style="font-size: large;"><br />
<br />
<em><span style="background-color: yellow;"></span></em></span></strong></span></div>
<span style="color: #cc0000;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;"><em><span style="background-color: yellow;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: black;">4 of 9 <span style="background-color: white;">...</span></span></span></span></em></span><em> <span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: large;">Matthew 24:27</span></span></em></strong></span><br />
<br />
<em><span style="font-size: large;">"For as the lighting cometh out of the east, and shineth even<br />
unto the west; so shall also the coming of the son of man be."</span> </em><br />
<br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><u>Go down two verses</u>, Matt.24:29 tells you <span style="color: #3333ff;">"</span><span style="color: #3333ff;">when"</span> this will be:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><em>"Immediately__ after the tribulation__ of those days..." </em>Now </span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">Matt.24:30<em> "...then shall appear the sign of the son of man..."</em></span><em><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
</span></em><span style="font-size: large;">Now, Matt.24:31,</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em> "...with the great sound of a trumpet, and <br />
they shall gather together (</em><span style="color: #999999;">rapture</span><em>) his elect... "</em> Again the</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">same trumpet as in other verses, now back to Matt.24:26, Jesus</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">tells them not to believe people that tell you that He (<span style="color: #999999;">Jesus</span>) is</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">in a <strong>secret</strong> place (<span style="color: #999999;">like a</span> <strong>secret</strong> <span style="color: #999999;">pre-trib rapture</span>).<span style="background-color: white;"> So, the above</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">verse... Matt.24:27, as you can see, was clearly taken out of</span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: large;">the context of the scriptures before and after this verse.</span></div>
<span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: 130%;"><br />
<strong><em><br />
</em></strong><br />
<strong><em><span style="background-color: yellow;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>5 of 9 <span style="background-color: white;">...</span></span></span></span> <span style="color: black;">Matthew 25:1-13</span></em></strong></span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;"><br />
</span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><strong><span style="color: blue;">The parable of the "ten virgins"</span></strong> ___</span> Here Jesus does not</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">talk about the "time" of His return, because He had just told</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">them a few minutes before about the time, (<span style="color: #999999;">see the paragraph</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #999999;">before this one </span>Matt.24:29 <span style="color: #999999;">definitely</span> <strong><span style="color: #999999;">after</span></strong> <span style="color: #999999;">the tribulation</span>).</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">The Wedding Feast can only take place after the tribulation,</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">because the Resurrection doesn't happen until the <strong>Last day.</strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-size: large;">Jesus said three times that the <strong>Resurrection</strong> is on the <strong>Last</strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Day (John 6:40, 44, 54). _ Then the bridegroom (<span style="color: #999999;">Jesus</span>)</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">goes into the wedding feast <strong>after</strong> the second coming of Christ,</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">and guess who else is at this <strong>Wedding Feast?</strong><span style="background-color: white;"> <span style="background-color: white;"> </span> </span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"> 1 </span><span style="color: #cc0000;"> </span>The Old</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Testament saints.<span style="background-color: white;"> </span><span style="background-color: white;"> </span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"> 2 </span><span style="color: #cc0000;"> </span>The tribulation saints.<span style="background-color: white;"> <span style="background-color: white;"> </span> </span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"> 3 </span><span style="color: #cc0000;"> </span>The prophets.</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #cc0000;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"> 4 </span> <span style="color: #333333;">The</span></span> 144 thousand new Christians.<span style="background-color: white;"> <span style="background-color: white;"> </span> </span>There would have to be</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: red;">two</span> wedding feasts__<span style="color: red;">two</span> resurrections__<span style="color: red;">two</span> second comings,</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">and <span style="color: red;">two</span> Last Days, for the "pre-trib" to work. </span><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;">Note #4---></span></strong></span><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: 130%;"><br />
<br />
<strong><em><br />
</em></strong></span><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: 130%;"><strong><em><span style="background-color: yellow;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: black;"><br /><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>6 of 9<span style="background-color: yellow;"> </span><span style="background-color: white;">...</span></span></span></span> <span style="color: #333333;">Mark 13:6-37</span></em></strong></span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: large;">In this entire chapter Jesus is talking about the events that</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">happen during the tribulation, and that they were <u><strong>not </strong></u> to</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">look for Him until <strong><u>after</u></strong> certain events happen, then in </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Mark 13:24-27, </span><span style="font-size: large;"><em> "...<strong><u>after</u></strong> the tribulation of those days, <br />
<strong><u>then</u></strong> they shall see Him.." </em> So <strong>Jesus</strong> again told them He's </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">coming back <strong><u>after</u></strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>tribulation</strong>, making this a </span><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>post <br />
tribulation rapture</strong> at the Second Coming of Christ.</span><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: 130%;"><br />
<br />
<strong><em><br />
</em></strong></span><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: 130%;"><strong><em><span style="background-color: yellow;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: black;"><br /><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>7 of 9<span style="background-color: yellow;"> </span><span style="background-color: white;">...</span></span></span></span> </em></strong><span style="color: #333333;"><strong><em>Luke 21:6-38</em></strong></span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Basically this chapter is the same as the above chapter, where</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Jesus returns_<strong>after</strong>_the tribulation, at the second coming of</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Christ, except in v-36, He says,<em> </em>"....</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em>pray that you be accounted<br />
worthy to escape <strong>all</strong> these things...</em>" What things? All 21 plagues</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">that God uses to punish evil men;<em> </em>"...</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em>men which had the mark of<br />
the beast..</em>"(Rev.16:2), and "..</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em>those men which <strong>have</strong> <strong>not</strong> the seal<br />
of God...</em>" (Rev.9:4). <strong>What</strong> makes us <strong>worthy to escape</strong> all <strong>these</strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><em>things?</em></strong> Accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour, and</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">being an overcomer, which includes_<strong>not</strong>_taking_the mark of the</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">beast. So, we will <strong>escape</strong> all these things, because we <strong>have</strong> <strong>the</strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>seal of God</strong> (<span style="color: #333333;">Eph.1:13, Eph.4:30, II Cor 1:22, and </span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #333333;">John 6:27). <br />
We are </span>protected from God's wrath, like the 144000 (Rev.7:4).</span><br />
<span style="color: #666666;"><span style="font-size: large;">Greek rendering of "escape" put in the proper context. </span></span><span style="color: #666666;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;">Note #5--></span></span></strong></span></span><br />
<span style="color: red;"></span><br />
<span style="color: #009900; font-size: 130%;"><span style="color: #cc0000;"><em><strong><br />
<span style="background-color: yellow;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: black;"><br /><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>8 of 9<span style="background-color: yellow;"> </span><span style="background-color: white;">...</span></span></span></span></strong> </em></span><span style="color: #333333;"><em><strong>II Peter 3:10</strong></em></span></span><br />
<br />
<em><span style="font-size: large;">"...The Day of the Lord will come as a <strong>thief in the night."</strong></span></em><br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Now let's let the Bible prove the Bible and go to I Thes. 5:2, where</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">the exact same words are used,</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em> "..the Day of the Lord so cometh<br />
as a thief in the night." </em> Then in I Thes.5:4, (<span style="color: #999999;">paraphrased</span>)<em> "But</em> </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">[<span style="color: #999999;">we</span>]<em> are <strong>not</strong> in darkness that this day should overtake</em> [<span style="color: #999999;">us</span>]</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em> as <br />
a thief.</em>" Why? Because I Thes.5:5, "...[<span style="color: #999999;">we</span>]</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em> are children of the <br />
light.</em>" So, <strong>we will know!</strong> <span style="color: #999999;">(I inserted "we" for "you" </span></span><span style="color: #999999; font-size: large;">because <br />
Peter and Paul's letters were to the Gentiles (non Jews_"us").</span><span style="color: #009900; font-size: 130%;"><span style="color: #cc0000;"><span style="color: #cccccc; font-size: 100%;"><br />
</span><br />
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<em><strong><span style="background-color: yellow;"><span style="color: #999999;"><span style="color: black;"><br /><span style="background-color: white;"> </span>9 of 9 <span style="background-color: white;">...</span></span></span></span></strong> </em></span><span style="color: #333333;"><em><strong>Revelation 22:12 (KJV)</strong></em></span></span><br />
<br />
<em><span style="font-size: large;">"And, behold, I come quickly; and my <strong>reward</strong> is with me..."</span></em><br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: large;">"So, when does He give out <strong>rewards?</strong> See Rev.11:15 and 18 </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">"<em>And the <strong>7th angel sounded</strong>..</em><span style="color: #666666;">[its time]</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><em><span style="color: #666666;">..</span>that thou give <strong>rewards</strong><br />
..unto the saints</em>..."_<strong>It's after the 7th trump!!__At the end!</strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>Rewards</strong> are given out <strong>after</strong> the <strong>post-trib resurrection/</strong></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>rapture</strong>, after the Second Coming of Christ.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>Now, </strong>the nine verse references listed above_<strong>was all </strong>that was</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333; font-size: large;">presented to prove the "Pre-Trib" rapture by the three pastors at</span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;">this conference. You can see that they <strong>were all</strong> <strong>taken out of </strong></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>context, </strong>or based on <strong>assumptions, </strong><u><span style="color: #b45f06;">because all nine clearly</span></u> <u><span style="color: #b45f06;">support the post-tribulation view instead</span></u>. I believe this <u>new</u></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333; font-size: large;">(1830's) pre-trib doctrine was built on <strong><u>fear</u>;</strong> not trusting that </span><br />
<span style="color: #333333; font-size: large;">God will </span><span style="color: #333333; font-size: large;">carry them through this time when the church will </span><br />
<span style="color: #333333; font-size: large;">be needed </span><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;">the most....</span> </span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;"> <strong><span style="color: blue;"><em>Giants in the Land</em>....</span></strong></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;">......God was <strong>angry </strong>with </span></span><span style="color: #333333; font-size: large;">the 10 spies, who made Israel </span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #333333;"><strong><u>fear</u></strong> <br />the </span><span style="color: blue;"><strong>Giants</strong></span><span style="color: #444444;"> in the </span><span style="color: #444444;">land God promised to t</span></span><span style="color: #444444; font-size: large;">hem, (Num.13:1-2),<br />and <strong>they were afraid to go in, </strong>(Num.13:31 KJV) </span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #444444;">and <br />(Num.13:33 KJV). </span>We are doing the same thing today by </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><u><strong>fearing </strong></u> the <span style="color: #3333ff;">"<strong>Giant</strong>" </span>(<span style="color: #666666;">Antichrist</span>) we add <strong>"pre-trib" </strong> to </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">God's word, without a <strong>single verse to prove it, </strong>this is very</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">dangerous, (see Rev. 22:18). It is not my intent to belittle</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">these three pastors, I'm sure they are sincere Christians, but</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">if they can't come up with one single verse that specifically</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">places this event before the tribulation, <strong>who can? </strong><strong><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;">Note #6---></span></strong></span><span style="color: #333333;"><br />
</span><br />
<em><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="color: red;"></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><u><br /></u></span>
<span style="font-size: large;"><u>It's really very simple</u>, if it's <strong>not</strong> in God's Word, it's not going to</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">happen. Again, I want to repeat that these nine scriptures was</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>all</strong> that was used to prove the "pre-trib" rapture that day, I was</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">there! The senior pastor of this large church has read this article,</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">and we exchanged a few Emails, and he did not question that </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">these were the scriptures that were used. He believes that he is</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">teaching the truth, and so do I... One of us is wrong, but we are</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">still Christian brothers.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;"><br /><strong><span style="font-size: large;"> <em><span style="color: blue;">Left Behind...</span></em></span></strong></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;"></span></strong></span><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">Some may ask:</span></strong><span style="font-size: large;"> What difference does it make if Christ returns<br />
before the tribulation, or after?_ There are sincere Christians on<br />
both sides. However, the Bible says in I Thes.5:21, to "<strong>prove all</strong><br />
<strong>things."_</strong>And in II Tim.4:4,"And they shall turn away their ears<br />
from the truth, and shall be turned into <strong>fables</strong>"<strong> (fiction).</strong> We see<br />
this in the<strong> <span style="color: blue;">"Left Behind" </span></strong>book and movie, with cars and planes<br />
crashing, etc. Millions are killed before the tribulation even starts,<br />
when all these people still <strong>have/had</strong> a chance to be saved during<br />
this time. The reality is the truth was <u>'Left Behind'</u> in the making<br />
of this movie! Yet it sells well in the religious marketplaces. The<br />
Pre Tribulation Rapture doctrine has become amusement for the<br />
masses, a multi billion dollar business. <span style="color: #999999;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;"><strong>Note #7----></strong></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333;"><b><span style="background-color: yellow; color: #444444; font-size: large;"><span style="color: red;"></span><br /></span></b></span></div>
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<b><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: #444444; font-size: large;">Update on the above </span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: blue; font-size: large;">"Left Behind" </span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: black; font-size: large;">topic as of 4/22/2016:</span></span><span style="background-color: yellow; color: black;"> </span></b></div>
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<b><span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;">Kirk Cameron,</span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;"> the star of this movie has changed to the</span></b></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;"><b>Post-Trib rapture view, now preaches against the Pre-trib. </b></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;"><b>He states: "The pre-trib rapture is a <u>total hoax</u> and a <u>fraud</u>."</b></span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;"><b>And he turned down a role in a new </b><span style="background-color: white; color: blue;">"Left Behind"</span></span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;"><b> sequel...</b></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-size: large;">(Just Google </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #999999; font-size: large;"> <span style="color: black;">"</span>Kirk Cameron, <u>Post-Trib Rapture</u></span><span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-size: large;">"</span><span style="background-color: white; color: black; font-size: large;">)</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br />
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<span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Note:</span></strong><span style="font-size: large;"> The "pre-trib" view is a relatively <strong>new</strong> <strong>doctrine</strong>, you won't<br />
find pre-trib writings or documents in any church history until<br />
about the year 1830. Edward Irving, (Catholic Apostolic Church)<br />
and soon after, John Darby, (Plymouth Brethren) both of England,<br />
were teaching the pre-tribulation rapture. _However, the most<br />
important reason for the acceptance of this "pre-trib" rapture<br />
view in the United States was the Scofield Reference Bible as well<br />
as the Dake Study Bible. In the footnotes Scofield split the second </span></span></div>
<span style="font-size: large;">coming of Christ into<strong> </strong><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;">two events<strong><span style="color: black;">:</span></strong></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
</span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
1 <span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"> Coming "<strong>for</strong>"<strong> </strong>the saints,<span style="background-color: white;"> </span><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;">2 <span style="background-color: white;"> <span style="color: #444444;">Coming "<strong>with</strong>"<strong> </strong>the saints<span style="background-color: white;"> </span>(<span style="color: #999999;">seven </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #999999;">years later</span><span style="color: #444444;">). Below is a quote from a</span> well known Christian author<br />
who lived </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;">at the time this <span style="color: black;">false</span> theory was being introduced<strong>: </strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
</span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
Robert Cameron (1845-1922):<br />
<em><span style="color: #3d85c6;">"The Coming for, and the Coming with, the Saints, still </span></em></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><em><span style="color: #3d85c6; font-size: large;">persists, although it involves a manifest contradiction,</span></em></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><em><span style="color: #3d85c6; font-size: large;">two Second Comings which is an absurdity."</span></em></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #999999; font-size: large;">(Scriptural Truth About the Lord's Return, p.639).</span></span><br />
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(There is a link at the end of this post where you can view brief<br />
quotes by 30 of these renown church fathers, from 33AD to the<br />
late 1800s; all taught the church would face the false christ).</span><br />
<br /><br /><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;">If such a <strong>major event </strong>as the "<strong>pre-trib</strong>" <strong>rapture </strong>is true, why</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;">isn't it found in <strong>Old Testament prophecy?__or in Jesus'</strong></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><strong>own teaching?__or His disciples?__or any of the New</strong></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><strong>Testament writers?__Jesus said </strong>in Mark 13:23, "<strong>I have</strong></span></span><br />
</span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>foretold you all things.</strong>" He would have told us!!!</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="color: blue;">Others may say:</span></strong> That, "the tribulation is only for the 144,000"<br />
And then they go on to say that these are the people that God<br />
uses in this time to bring people to Christ. This may be true, in<br />
part, but look at Rev. 7:1,2,3,4 where God puts a <strong>seal </strong>on this<br />
<strong>small</strong> group. And because of this <strong>seal</strong>, they are <strong>protected!!</strong><br />
The woman (Israel/144,000) is protected in the last 3 1/2 years<br />
of the tribulation (Rev. 12:13-14). </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></span>
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">This, in turn, makes the serpent(Satan) <strong>angry</strong>, so he goes after </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">us in Rev.12:17, those who have<em><strong>"the testimony of Jesus Christ."</strong> </em>Again, go back to Rev. 7:9, "<em>After this</em> (sealing of the 144000)</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em> I beheld, and look, <strong>a great </strong><strong>multitude...</strong> of all nations... "</em> Now </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">skip </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">to Rev.7:13</span><span style="font-size: large;"><em>, who are these people, and where did they come from?<b> </b></em>Rev.7:14,<i>"these are they that <b>came out of great tribulation ..."</b></i> And God just stated in Rev 12:13-14, that the woman (Israel)</span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #b01200;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">is protected. So, who do you think this <strong>great multitude</strong> is, that<br />
<strong>has</strong> the <strong>testimony of Jesus Christ</strong> if it's not us??__These are<br />
martyred believers during the great tribulation (Rev.20:4).</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #b01200;"><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">So</span></strong><span style="font-size: large;">, there are untold millions, <strong>along</strong> with the 144,000 Israelites who<br />
are in this period of time. To say this time is only for them to<br />
deal with is a "cop out" and just another <strong>assumption</strong> and not<br />
valid. They base this on Isaiah 45:4 where Israel is called God's<br />
"elect" (</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #999999;">KJV</span>), so then in Matt. 24:31, when Jesus sends his angels<br />
to gather His <strong>"elect" after</strong> the <strong>tribulation</strong>, that this event (the<br />
second Coming of Christ) is only for the 144,000 who have to go<br />
through the tribulation._After we (<span style="color: #999999;">non Jews/Israelites</span>) accept<br />
Jesus Christ as our Savior, we <strong>become God's elect.</strong> I'll back up<br />
this statement with Paul's letters to non Israelites, the Galatians<br />
and the Colossians<strong>:<span style="color: red;"> </span><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;">-------></span></strong></span></span><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
</span><span style="background-color: white;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
<em> </em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em>1</em> </span> Gal.3:28-29 </span></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">(paraphrased)"</span><em><span style="font-size: large;">There is neither Jew or Greek,<br />
you are all <strong>one in Christ...</strong>you also are <strong>Abraham's</strong> seed..."</span></em></span><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
</span><span style="background-color: white;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
<em> </em><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em>2</em> </span> Col 3:11-12,<em> </em></span></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><em><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">"...there is neither Greek or Jew...but <strong>Christ</strong><br />
is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the <strong>__Elect of God...."</strong></span></span></em><span style="background-color: white;"><em><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
</span></em><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em></em></span></span></span><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em>3</em> </span> I Peter 1:1-2, </span></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">Peter writes a letter to different nationalities<br />
and calls them the<em> _"<strong>elect of God"_</strong></em> because they have been<br />
<strong><em>"washed in the blood of the Lamb"__</em></strong> like we have been.<br />
So, <strong>Israel_"and"_the church_"are"_God's elect!!</strong></span><br />
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<span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Jesus has one bride!</span></strong><span style="font-size: large;"> He created the miracle of uniting Jew <br />
and Gentile alike into one bride. Let's just "reason together", <br />
does it make any sense that Jesus would rapture out a partial <br />
bride? What parts would He take first? And then...what? pick <br />
up the other parts later - with whatever results the 144,000 <br />
are able to accomplish during the last 3 1/2 years? Why would <br />
Jesus remove only some?</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong>And...</strong> if He was going to do this, don't you think He would have <br />
told us? At least one verse stating that He was going to take some </span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;">out first? Jesus said in Mark 13:23,<em> </em></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong><em>"I have foretold you all </em></strong></span></span><br />
</span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong><em>things."</em></strong> He would have </span><strong><span style="color: #444444;">told</span><span style="color: #333333;"> us</span></strong></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;">!!</span> </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><b> Furthermore</b>, do you suppose Jesus would have the wedding </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;">feast with His "raptured" church (bride), without the </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong>tribulation saints,</strong> the </span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong>Old Testament saints</strong>, the </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong>prophets</strong> or the <strong>144</strong>,<strong>000? </strong>Let's </span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;">think about this__<strong>are</strong> </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong>we </strong><strong>really this special? </strong> Compared </span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;">to </span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;">these four other groups<strong>?</strong></span><br />
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</em></span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="color: blue;">I am going to add a few scriptures,</span></strong> (<span style="color: #999999;">that were not mentioned</span> <br />
<span style="color: #999999;">at this conference</span>) that are also used to support the pre-trib<br />
rapture, so that you will have a complete list of all the verses,<br />
assumptions and analogies this "new" doctrine was based on<strong>:</strong></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><br />
</span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">1</span></em><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: large;"> <strong><span style="color: blue;">Matt. 24:40,</span></strong><em> "... <strong>One shall be taken, and the other left.</strong></em>"</span></span></span><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;">Notice that Jesus made this statement just minutes after He </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;">had<em> </em></span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444; font-size: large;">told them <em>"<strong>Immediately after the tribulation</strong> <span style="color: #444444;">of those days.</span></em><span style="color: #444444;">"</span><br />
<strong><span style="color: blue;">(Matt.24:29).</span></strong> That's when "one will be taken and and the other<br />
left" <strong>Not seven years before!</strong> Put it in context!</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em></em></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: white; color: blue;"> The Noah Analogy...</span></strong></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em><span style="font-size: large;"></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em><span style="font-size: large;">2</span></em><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: large;"> Many analogies are used by the Pre-Trib Rapture teachers, </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">for lack of scriptural proof. However, Noah is their main one, </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">so I will deal with this one. Everyone is aware of the fact that </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">Noah warned the people that a <strong>flood is </strong><strong>coming</strong> and to repent, </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">but <strong>_they refused to listen. </strong> The Pre-Tribulation Rapture </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">teachers say "that's like the rapture", so as Noah was saved </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">out </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">of the flood, we will be "raptured" out of the Tribulation. </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">It's </span></strong></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">an analogy!!__An assumption!!</span> </strong></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>Did the flood</strong> come upon <strong><span style="color: blue;">Noah</span></strong>, as well as the rest of the world<br />
unawares? Let's read Gen.7:1 and Gen.7:4 and see. "And the </span></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;">Lord<br />
said unto Noah...For in <strong>seven days</strong>, I will cause it to rain upon<br />
the earth..." OK, so it does appear that <strong>Noah knew</strong> ahead of time<br />
when the flood was going to come...</span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="background-color: #cfe2f3; color: red;">Note #9----></span></strong></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"></span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: red;"></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;">… It was the <strong>world</strong> that <strong>did not know.</strong> Very important to notice </span></span><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;">that <strong><span style="color: blue;">Noah</span></strong> knew<strong> seven</strong> days before the exact day the flood would</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;">start. And we will know </span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><strong>seven years</strong> after the signing of the </span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;">covenant of Daniel 9:27,</span></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"> the Lord Jesus Christ will return.</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;">… Also notice that Noah and family (God's people) were carried</span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><u><b>through</b></u> the flood... <u>not</u> <b>out of!!</b> Furthermore the 3 Hebrews</span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;">were carried <b><u>through</u></b> the fire... <u>not</u> <b>out of!!</b></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"></span><b></b><u></u><u></u><br /></span></span></span></div>
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<strong><span style="color: blue;"> <u> </u></span></strong></span></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: #ffd966; color: red;"><em><span style="font-size: large;">3 </span></em></span><em><span style="font-size: large;"> <strong><span style="color: blue;">Mark 13:32,</span></strong> is also used_"</span></em></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"><em><strong>But of that day and that hour</strong><br />
<strong>knoweth no man..."</strong></em>_Jesus told them this a few minutes after<br />
telling them</span></span><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"> in Mark 13:24 </span><span style="font-size: large;"><em>"..in those days <strong>after</strong> that tribulation,<br />
the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her <br />
light..." </em>And goes on to say in Mark 13:28-29 that we will know <br />
this day is close because next He says in Mark 13:30... that the<br />
generation that sees these things (<span style="color: #999999;">tribulation events</span><span style="color: #444444;">), would...</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: large;"></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #444444;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #444444;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #444444;">(</span><span style="color: #999999;">back to </span><span style="color: #444444;">Mark 13:26-27) </span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><em>"...see the Son of man coming in the </em></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><em>
clouds.....to gather His elect from the...uttermost parts of the <br />
earth..."</em> Paul states in 1st Thes.5:4, </span><em><span style="font-size: large;">"we are not in darkness <br />
that this day will come upon us as a </span></em></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><em>thief.</em>" Why? Because in <br />
the next verse (1st Thes.5:5), <em>"we are </em></span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: large;"><em>children of the light..."</em> <br />
However, right now no one knows, </span></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;">but when<em> </em>the covenant of <br />
Daniel 9:27 KJV is signed, we will know </span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;">to within a few weeks.<span style="background-color: white;"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="background-color: white;"><br /><span style="font-size: large;">
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: blue;"><b><u>Some people ask me</u>,</b></span></span><span style="font-size: large;"><i> "why is it that in America the <strong>vast<br />majority</strong> of</i> </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><i>Christians believe in the<strong> pre-trib?"_</strong></i>When Jesus </span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">came to the </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">earth the first time, the <strong><u>vast majority</u></strong> of the<br />religious people </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">(<span style="color: #999999;">the church</span>) of that time, <strong><u>rejected him</u></strong>, even<br />after many Old</span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">Testament prophets foretold of this event.<br />But they didn't want </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">a <strong>suffering Messiah, </strong> they wanted a <b><u>conquering king</u></b>. In this</span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;">case the <strong><u>vast majority</u></strong> was <strong><u>wrong</u></strong>!! </span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b></b></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b> </b></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><u><strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Important</span></strong></u><span style="font-size: large;"> to read a list of one paragraph quotes from <strong>30</strong> of the</span></span><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #444444;"><a href="http://earlychurchbelief.blogspot.com/">Early Church Fathers</a></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"><em> </em><span style="background-color: white;">such as</span><strong>: </strong> <a href="http://barnabas-chp4.blogspot.com/">Barnabas</a><span style="color: #444444;"> (<span style="color: #999999;">30-102</span>), <a href="http://justinmartyr-chp110.blogspot.com/">Justin Martyr</a></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="background-color: white;"> (<span style="color: #999999;">98-167</span>), <a href="http://augustine-xx-23.blogspot.com/">Augustine</a><span style="color: #444444;"> (<span style="color: #999999;">354-430</span>), <a href="http://bernard-33-16.blogspot.com/">Bernard</a> </span><span style="color: #999999;">(</span></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="color: #999999;">1090-1153)),</span> etc.</span> </span><br />
<span style="color: #444444;">They <u><strong>all</strong></u> taught that the church <u><strong>would</strong></u> be on the earth during the </span><br />
<span style="color: #444444;">reign of the Antichrist.</span></span></span><span style="color: #444444;"><br />
<br /><span style="background-color: white;"> </span><span style="background-color: white;"><u>Links</u>:</span><br />
<strong> </strong><br /><strong> </strong></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="background-color: white;"><a href="http://earlychurchbelief.blogspot.com/"><em><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>Early Church Fathers</strong> </span></em></a><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffe599; color: red;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: large;"><a href="http://endtimebeast.blogspot.com/"><i><b>Endtime Empire</b></i></a></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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